Concursul 'Marian Tarina' 2008 pb 2
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Concursul 'Marian Tarina' 2008 pb 2
Fie \( f: (0,\infty) \to (0,\infty) \) o functie marginita si \( p>0 \) un numar real fixat. Daca pentru orice \( \alpha >0 \) avem \( \lim_{x \to 0} \left (f(x)-\alpha f^p(\alpha x) \right)=0 \), sa se demonstreze ca \( \lim_{x \to 0} f(x)=0 \).
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Fie \( \alpha =2^p \). In acest caz \( \lim_{x \to 0} \left (f(x)-2^p f^p(2^p x) \right)=0 (1) \)
Fie \( \alpha = \frac{1}{2^p} \), atunci \( \lim_{x \to 0} \left (f(x)-\frac{1}{2^p} f^p(\frac{1}{2^p} x) \right)=0 \). Notam \( t= \frac{1}{2^p} x \) si relatia devine \( \lim_{x \to 0} \left (2^p f(t)- f^p(t) \right)=0 (2) \).Combinand limitele \( (1) \) si \( (2) \) obtinem ca \( \lim_{x \to 0} \left (f(x)- f^p( x) \right)=0 \) sau \( \lim_{x \to 0} f(x) \left (1- f^{p-1}(x) \right)=0 \).Daca \( \lim_{x \to 0} f^{p-1}(x)=1 \), atunci \( \lim_{x \to 0} f(x)=1 \) sau \( \lim_{x \to 0} f(x)=-1 \)(deoarece \( f \) reala).In aceste conditii,inlocuind in relatia din enunt, obtinem ca \( \lim_{x \to 0} \left (f(x)-\alpha f^p(\alpha x) \right)=1-\alpha \) sau cu\( \alpha-1 ,\forall \alpha \in R \), absurd. Rezulta ca \( \lim_{x \to 0} f(x)=0. \)
Fie \( \alpha = \frac{1}{2^p} \), atunci \( \lim_{x \to 0} \left (f(x)-\frac{1}{2^p} f^p(\frac{1}{2^p} x) \right)=0 \). Notam \( t= \frac{1}{2^p} x \) si relatia devine \( \lim_{x \to 0} \left (2^p f(t)- f^p(t) \right)=0 (2) \).Combinand limitele \( (1) \) si \( (2) \) obtinem ca \( \lim_{x \to 0} \left (f(x)- f^p( x) \right)=0 \) sau \( \lim_{x \to 0} f(x) \left (1- f^{p-1}(x) \right)=0 \).Daca \( \lim_{x \to 0} f^{p-1}(x)=1 \), atunci \( \lim_{x \to 0} f(x)=1 \) sau \( \lim_{x \to 0} f(x)=-1 \)(deoarece \( f \) reala).In aceste conditii,inlocuind in relatia din enunt, obtinem ca \( \lim_{x \to 0} \left (f(x)-\alpha f^p(\alpha x) \right)=1-\alpha \) sau cu\( \alpha-1 ,\forall \alpha \in R \), absurd. Rezulta ca \( \lim_{x \to 0} f(x)=0. \)
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Daca facem schimbarea aceea de variabila \( t=\frac{x}{2^p} \) nu cumva rezulta \( \lim_{t \to 0} \left(2^pf(t)-f^p\left( \frac{t}{2^p}\right) \right)=0 \) ?Bogdan Cebere wrote: Notam \( t= \frac{1}{2^p} x \) si relatia devine \( \lim_{x \to 0} \left (2^p f(t)- f^p(t) \right)=0 (2) \).
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Avem\( \lim_{x \to 0} \left (f(x)-\alpha f^p(\alpha x) \right)=0 (1) \)
Luam \( \alpha \to \frac{1}{\alpha} \) si \( x \to \alpha ^2 x \). Relatia devine \( \lim_{x \to 0} \left (\alpha f(\alpha ^2 x)- f^p(\alpha x) \right)=0 \).Inmultim relatia cu \( \alpha \) si avem \( \lim_{x \to 0} \left (\alpha^2 f(\alpha ^2 x)-\alpha f^p(\alpha x) \right)=0 (2) \). Combinam (1) si (2) obtinem \( \lim_{x \to 0} \left (f(x)-\alpha ^2 f(\alpha ^2 x) \right)=0 \). Prin inductie rezulta \( \lim_{x \to 0} \left (f(x)-\alpha ^{2n} f(\alpha ^{2n } x) \right)=0 \). Alegem \( \alpha \in (0,1) \) si folosind faptul ca f marginita, putem scrie \( 0= \lim_{x \to 0}\lim_{n \to \infty} \left (f(x)-\alpha ^{2n} f(\alpha ^{2n } x) \right)=\lim_{x \to 0} f(x) \).
Avem\( \lim_{x \to 0} \left (f(x)-\alpha f^p(\alpha x) \right)=0 (1) \)
Luam \( \alpha \to \frac{1}{\alpha} \) si \( x \to \alpha ^2 x \). Relatia devine \( \lim_{x \to 0} \left (\alpha f(\alpha ^2 x)- f^p(\alpha x) \right)=0 \).Inmultim relatia cu \( \alpha \) si avem \( \lim_{x \to 0} \left (\alpha^2 f(\alpha ^2 x)-\alpha f^p(\alpha x) \right)=0 (2) \). Combinam (1) si (2) obtinem \( \lim_{x \to 0} \left (f(x)-\alpha ^2 f(\alpha ^2 x) \right)=0 \). Prin inductie rezulta \( \lim_{x \to 0} \left (f(x)-\alpha ^{2n} f(\alpha ^{2n } x) \right)=0 \). Alegem \( \alpha \in (0,1) \) si folosind faptul ca f marginita, putem scrie \( 0= \lim_{x \to 0}\lim_{n \to \infty} \left (f(x)-\alpha ^{2n} f(\alpha ^{2n } x) \right)=\lim_{x \to 0} f(x) \).