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Problema interesanta cu partea intreaga

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Fie \( a \) un numar real.
Daca \( [n^2a] \) este patrat perfect pentru oricare numar natural \( n \), demonstrati ca \( a \) trebuie sa fie un numar natural patrat perfect!
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Aceasta problema apare intr-o culegere ptr clasa a-IX-a(autor Burtea),la capitolul inductie...
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Se demonstreaza prin inductie dupa n propozitia;

P(n): \( \{a\}<\frac{1}{n^2} \); pentru orice \( n\ge 1 \)
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si iese usor?
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Oarecum... incearca.
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esti sigur?ca nu prea iese...adica nu ma prind eu...trebuie sa fie o inductie mai diferita am impresia,adica "in sus si in jos"...
intamplator,am dat de ea pe mathlinks:
http://www.mathlinks.ro/viewtopic.php?t=173380
acolo are data o solutie de-a dreptul "infioratoare" :lol: plus ca autorul solutiei da explicatii suplimentare de vreo 3-4 ori,si nici alea nu par complete ...In orice caz,solutia de acolo e super-artificiala,se bazeaza pe niste calcule urate,plus ca nu mi-ar fi venit in 100 de ani ideea sa fac ce face el acolo..
De aceea nu prea-mi vine a crede ca ar iesi asa simplu...
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ati putea detalia cum ati demonstrat dvs?
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1) Verificare: n=1 P(1): \( \{a\}<1 \) evident.
n=2 P(2): \( \{a\}<\frac{1}{4} \) (exercitiu)
n=3 P(3): \( \{a\}<\frac{1}{9} \) (exercitiu)

2) Pasul de inductie: resupunem P(n) adevarat si demonstram P(n+1) adevarat.

Din ipoteza , pentru n=1 avem \( [a]=k^2 \) , patrat perfect.

Pentru n+1 in enunt avem \( [(n+1)^2a]=[(n+1)^2[a]+(n+1)^2\{a\}]\le (n+1)^2k^2+[(n+1)^2\cdot\frac{1}{n^2}]=(n+1)^2k^2+1 \) e patrat perfect rezulta ca \( [(n+1)^2a]=(n+1)^2[a] \) de unde \( [(n+1)^2\{a\}]=0 \) si de aici \( \{a\}<\frac{1}{(n+1)^2} \) , deci P(n+1) e adevarata.
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